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debka_notion) wrote2007-03-15 07:09 pm
debka_notion) wrote2007-03-15 07:09 pm
The Pre-Friday Shacharit Kvetch
I just got the pre-Friday morning class davenen email. So- the usual kvetch, which usually doesn't get written, but my usual audience is in Germany, so...
Ok, fine, they aren't doing P'sukei D'Zimra unless you do it on your own before coming or if you come at 7:45 instead of 8:00 to do so. I worry about the halakhic validity of this, as some folks will probably do neither. Myself, I'll probably show around 7:45 and such. And sure, niggunim and some silence are pretty, but couldn't we do Those before PdZ rather than after? Silent meditation is nice too, and even less problematic, although I'm iffy on the "speak up if you have something to say" thing that they'll be doing during it.
But well- I'm currently still fine with including the imahot in the amidah, although having been given a quick rundown on a list of problems with it, well, I'm sort of thinking about trying to find some other way of including my feminism in my davenen: I'm thinking a trip to the library to play with tekhines might be in my future. Maybe even tonight. So much more interesting than my homework... But, they're promising an alternative list of imahot. I'm wondering what this is going to include, and I'm sort of worried that this is going to involve Bilhah and Zilpah, and well- somehow that feels like it's pushing too far even conceptually, let alone halakhically.
Ok, off to the library. We'll see what happens.
Ok, fine, they aren't doing P'sukei D'Zimra unless you do it on your own before coming or if you come at 7:45 instead of 8:00 to do so. I worry about the halakhic validity of this, as some folks will probably do neither. Myself, I'll probably show around 7:45 and such. And sure, niggunim and some silence are pretty, but couldn't we do Those before PdZ rather than after? Silent meditation is nice too, and even less problematic, although I'm iffy on the "speak up if you have something to say" thing that they'll be doing during it.
But well- I'm currently still fine with including the imahot in the amidah, although having been given a quick rundown on a list of problems with it, well, I'm sort of thinking about trying to find some other way of including my feminism in my davenen: I'm thinking a trip to the library to play with tekhines might be in my future. Maybe even tonight. So much more interesting than my homework... But, they're promising an alternative list of imahot. I'm wondering what this is going to include, and I'm sort of worried that this is going to involve Bilhah and Zilpah, and well- somehow that feels like it's pushing too far even conceptually, let alone halakhically.
Ok, off to the library. We'll see what happens.
feminism and immahot pt 3 (speaking of long trilogies...)
Yet I follow what Hillel says in Avot 2:5 in my choice regarding immahot.
אל תפרוש מן הצבור
I follow the communal custom if I am the shatz or what seems most appropriate for the community in the situation.
ואל תאמן בעצמך עד יום מותך
I am actually quite sure that there is something flawed in either version of the Avot passage (yet I prefer one over the other).
ואל תדין את-חברך עד שתגיע למקומו
I do apologize if any of this has come across judgmentally. I am responding with my own stances on this and occasionally asking questions since I am curious for another perspective on all this.
ואל תאמר דבר שאי אפשר לשמוע, שסופו להשמע
Although I have not yet read a rendering of Avot including the Matriarchs which I feel is not flawed, I do believe that it is possible to compose a liturgical piece as such. If I'd stop reading blogs and realize that others are not picky about the same stuff of which I am picky, I'd probably try to do something of that sort actually.
ואל תאמר לכשאפנה אשנה, שמא לא תפנה.
Well, in writing this blog response, I did a fair amount of looking up different sources and such that allowed me to study now, so I'm not completely neglecting my obligations to study I suppose.
Yet I do have other studying to do and can't spend all day studying, so for the meantime I'll hold off on writing up a matriarch-inclusive version of Avot that makes more sense to me - unless there's popular demand for such a thing (which I would find ridiculous and amusing all at the same time).
Anyway, there's my two cents on the immahot and my beef (though I am vegetarian) with adhering to the inclusion of the immahot strictly.
(Fun fact: my favorite formula for the Immahot does come from Va'ani Tefillati.)