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( Dec. 22nd, 2004 10:57 pm)
A comment I left elsewhere on the usual assumptions that men aren't required to light Shabbat candles, and that women only have to pray once a day:

"Orthodox views on women's obligation to prayer are Very varied. I went to a series of shiurim on the topic (although I myself am egalitarian, but I like to have the info from as many perspectives as possible), and found that different famous Orthodox rabbis held every view from 1 time a day, any time, in any style as long as it contains praise, requests and thanks, to three times a day, with the full set liturgy, at the set times. (And everything in between, with a popular set being Shacharit and Mincha, at the appropriate times, with the appropriate liturgy. THe reasoning there being that men assumed the obligation for Ma'ariv as a group; that it wasn't originally obligated in the same way, or that women should be obligated too, but since our grandmothers didn't, and we don't want to say that they weren't righteous women, we can't obligate women to daven maariv.) It's a very complicated issue.

Men are obligated to light Shabbat candles if they are not married and their mother isn't going to be lighting with them in mind. Some hold that they are obligated as long as they aren't spending that Shabbat in the home of their mother/wife."

Why is this the one issue that always gets simplified outside of the circles where people care intensely about either all details or all details pertaining to gender issues? I do find it somewhat odd that I know more about these issues in the Orthodox world than some people who seem to present themselves as Orthodox... ANd I don't know So much either, much as I'd like to. I guess this works up to my usual pet peeve about education. Again.
debka_notion: (Default)
( Dec. 22nd, 2004 10:57 pm)
A comment I left elsewhere on the usual assumptions that men aren't required to light Shabbat candles, and that women only have to pray once a day:

"Orthodox views on women's obligation to prayer are Very varied. I went to a series of shiurim on the topic (although I myself am egalitarian, but I like to have the info from as many perspectives as possible), and found that different famous Orthodox rabbis held every view from 1 time a day, any time, in any style as long as it contains praise, requests and thanks, to three times a day, with the full set liturgy, at the set times. (And everything in between, with a popular set being Shacharit and Mincha, at the appropriate times, with the appropriate liturgy. THe reasoning there being that men assumed the obligation for Ma'ariv as a group; that it wasn't originally obligated in the same way, or that women should be obligated too, but since our grandmothers didn't, and we don't want to say that they weren't righteous women, we can't obligate women to daven maariv.) It's a very complicated issue.

Men are obligated to light Shabbat candles if they are not married and their mother isn't going to be lighting with them in mind. Some hold that they are obligated as long as they aren't spending that Shabbat in the home of their mother/wife."

Why is this the one issue that always gets simplified outside of the circles where people care intensely about either all details or all details pertaining to gender issues? I do find it somewhat odd that I know more about these issues in the Orthodox world than some people who seem to present themselves as Orthodox... ANd I don't know So much either, much as I'd like to. I guess this works up to my usual pet peeve about education. Again.
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