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debka_notion ([personal profile] debka_notion) wrote2007-09-23 07:14 pm

The Magical Ingredient

I think I've found the magical ingredient for generating tons of comments on LJ, at least among my friend- circle, and it is very simple-

Talk about head-covering and/or ritual-wear and gender.

I guess people with those interests tend to congregate.

I think other halakhic concerns might get close- so, here's one I need to do some research into- what has the status of a shoe, and the acceptability going barefoot during (davening on) Yom Kippur.

[identity profile] hotshot2000.livejournal.com 2007-09-23 11:37 pm (UTC)(link)
"On head-covering: I can't persuade my boss it's anything but a rudeness on my part to wear headcoverings indoors at work, so I do it at home/shul and pick my battles."

Isn't it illegal for his private opinion on the matter to have any effect on how you're treated in the workplace? Smells like a freedom of religious expression lawsuit waiting to happen!

[identity profile] hatam-soferet.livejournal.com 2007-09-24 12:06 am (UTC)(link)
It comes under the same heading as cleavage. Social norms in some places dictate that you uncover when indoors. You ought to appreciate that :P

[identity profile] hotshot2000.livejournal.com 2007-09-24 09:59 am (UTC)(link)
Not in America, and not legally. And yes, I appreciate social practices, in the context of the large matrix of values -- and there's no value in enforcing such a petty social form on other cultures and people who already embody what that form is supposed to indicate. To put it simply, I find strange_selkie's boss's attitude highly offensive and, yes, immoral.

[identity profile] hatam-soferet.livejournal.com 2007-09-24 12:31 pm (UTC)(link)
enforcing such a petty social form on other cultures

To her boss, perhaps it is no more offensive and immoral that insisting that male employees wear ties.

[identity profile] hotshot2000.livejournal.com 2007-09-24 02:44 pm (UTC)(link)
It sounded like strange_selkie tried to explain the significance of it and the boss still insisted on his norm. (If that's not the case, nevermind.)

[identity profile] strange-selkie.livejournal.com 2007-09-24 12:09 am (UTC)(link)
Meh. I'm not shomer anything else, so like I said, I pick my battles. And when I cover at work because I'm working a half day and then going to shul, for example, and someone 'You can take your hat off, we're inside', I just smile a cute smile.

I work in Virginia, and my entire professional life there could be a an extended civil rights battle, if I wanted to make it so. But I like my job, and Hashem doesn't care.

[identity profile] hotshot2000.livejournal.com 2007-09-24 09:55 am (UTC)(link)
It's a good thing you like your job, because the whole situation sounds like it stinks. I just have a big issue with people like your boss who are so identity-threatened that they have to put their preference for contingent forms of social practices over an appreciation for the unique ways other culturse express the same values they're trying to express. (Yes, yes, I see the potential internal contradiction, but I think it's resolvable.)

You're right that the social practice of covering one's head isn't necessarily the highest value in the world, but I'd like to think that Hashem cares ddeply about your boss enforcing his pettiness on you.