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debka_notion ([personal profile] debka_notion) wrote2006-03-07 08:28 am

Appropriateness

Steve, who I'd met once before at another dance event, was at dancing last night as he was still in town from the festival. He taught a dance that I thought was pretty pointless. But that is besides the point of this post. He was there wearing a shirt that said "Not Guilty" on the front and "She told me she was 18" and a little smiley face on the back. I was a bit shocked, but didn't really want to say anything: for all I knew, other people thought it was funny. But [livejournal.com profile] zodiacmg shared my opinions, as did another friend of ours. It was just a strange thing to wear- it made it sound like he thought that having these sorts of legal protections for kids was silly, for one. And for two, it made for some very odd connotations about his own private life, something I'd think one wouldn't want to share with strangers. ANd close-knit as the IFD community is, he Couldn't have known everyone in that room before he came... It did not make me think too highly of that aspect of the gentleman's judgement...

And I just ut myself on my own hangnail.

IANAL, but...

[identity profile] belu.livejournal.com 2006-03-07 03:33 pm (UTC)(link)
I think the laws about this subject are probably about the most complicated laws a high schooler needs to know. They go something like "If the older party is at least 16 [16 does seem to be more common than 18], and the younger party isn't, then it's a felony, unless they're less than 2 years apart, in which case it's not a crime so long as they're both at least 12, and if one is less than 12, the older one (who'd be less than 14) wouldn't be tried as an adult anyway, or unless the younger one is at least 14, in which case it's a misdemeanor, as it is when the age difference is between 2 and 4 years and both parties are at least 12. Oh, and it's a big no-no if one is in a position of power over the other, who's under 18." And [livejournal.com profile] fleurdelis28 is right about there not being a way, short of waiting it out or not getting caught, to get out from under this "protection", which is arbitrarily different based on what state you're in.

I think the tax code is a bit more complicated, but if you're a high schooler who has reason to know that, you hire someone else to know it for you. It's not like those aren't available.

Re: IANAL, but...

[identity profile] debka-notion.livejournal.com 2006-03-07 10:32 pm (UTC)(link)
They are, and I think even I knew them, and I had no particular need to know them, I think- so somehow the information gets around.

The thing is, this guy is older than I am- I'm not sure how much, but it's at least a couple of years, and probably a little more than that.

Re: IANAL, but...

[identity profile] belu.livejournal.com 2006-03-07 10:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, if he's not too much older than you, then it's not too weird for him to be together with an 18-year-old. (Especially if said 18-year-old is mature for her age.) Not really a problem until you know who it is the girl is and what they're like and that shows problems.

As for the girl who's successfully passing as being 18 (or whatever), as far as I can tell, the only problem there would be legal. And such a situation makes sense to me; it's not like he was wearing a shirt that said, "I swear I didn't know she was 3."

But until you see or hear of an actual girl or court case, then it can probably be safely assumed to be an expression of his sense of humor.

Re: IANAL, but...

[identity profile] debka-notion.livejournal.com 2006-03-07 11:05 pm (UTC)(link)
somehow the computer put my response a bit down from here- go find it there, I guess. (I hope it puts this comment in the right place...)