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debka_notion ([personal profile] debka_notion) wrote2006-12-19 08:01 pm

Halakhic Thought

So the egal minyan at JTS does not give the first and second aliyot to a kohen and levi, respectively. However today the person to whom they gave the first aliyah was a kohen. And they went on about their usual progression, so the next person was not a levi, nor did they give the second aliyah to the same person. And I understand not giving out aliyot based on that status issue, and since it was established for the sake of peace, I wouldn't complain about a minyan that does not hold by it for the sake of peace. But once you do call a kohen for the aliyah- I do wonder what the best choice of action would have been. On the other hand, they had handed out the aliyot in advance, and I know that once you call someone, you don't replace them, even if you should have called someone else- so maybe handing out the aliyot has some of the same status. It's just an interesting thing to think about.

[identity profile] gimmelgirl.livejournal.com 2006-12-20 02:39 am (UTC)(link)
I'd give someone an aliyah DAVKA if I knew they were in cherem!!!!

True, gentiles would probably be separate but equal in this system. ;o)

[identity profile] debka-notion.livejournal.com 2006-12-20 03:29 am (UTC)(link)
What if your rebbeim were the ones who put them in cherem? Heck- what if you were involved? I mean, isn't there a point the cherem, at least in theory?

[identity profile] gimmelgirl.livejournal.com 2006-12-20 10:11 pm (UTC)(link)
depends on why. usually it's MY rabbis who are being put in cherem....

[identity profile] shirei-shibolim.livejournal.com 2006-12-20 03:58 am (UTC)(link)
So next time the Neturei Karta have a conference in NYC, they can expect an aliyah from you? :)

[identity profile] gimmelgirl.livejournal.com 2006-12-20 10:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Absolutely. And I would say a prayer for the state of Israel on their aliyah!!!!
(and SING it loudly and seductively)

[identity profile] shirei-shibolim.livejournal.com 2006-12-21 03:26 am (UTC)(link)
Okay, silly example. Would you give an aliyyah to a man who's in cherem for being a recalcitrant husband?

[identity profile] gimmelgirl.livejournal.com 2006-12-21 03:30 am (UTC)(link)
:sigh:

See my point below about WHO usually gets put into cherem - it's liberal rabbis.

I was really just trying to make a joke about you know, say, Spinoza? Remember, my journal's subtitle is Beit Shammai.... Just trying to funny.

[identity profile] hotshot2000.livejournal.com 2006-12-20 03:59 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not sure R. Nosson Slifkin would take an aliyah at WLSS . . .