On JTS Social Dynamics

[debka_notion]

So last Sunday we made a minyan after Barchu, because of which a particular 5th year rabbinical student told us we needed to skip kaddish shalem. Today, he made an announcement after minyan that he'd been slightly mistaken and had studied the matter in depth with Rabbi Roth, and that really that kaddish only needs to be skipped (when you have a minyan at the time it would be said) when you got the minyan after someone had already started tahanun, and if the 10th person walks in before that point, you can do both chazarat hashatz And kaddish shalem. I asked some clarifying question, he gives a longer answer. I thank him.

He leaves. After which another certain 5th year rabbinical student says to those of us who were left that "kaddish is tied to kahal- if you do chazarat hashatz or kedushah, you say kaddish shalem- it's that simple." -with the clear implication that we shouldn't let the first guy confuse us, and said first guy is just trying to make himself look knowledgable.

It was sort of funny.

Comments

[sanpaku.livejournal.com]

If it's not "talking shop" too much... can you explain to a ritual chair reader why there's an issue here? Maybe this is old hat to your readers, but it's not academic for me because we often have minyanim at my shul where the 10th arrives during tachanun. The rabbi has never voiced any problem with the rule that you go ahead and say all the kaddishes. Indeed, the rabbi usually is that 10th! So I'd appreciate any light you could cast on this... understanding that you're not yet a posek, etc.