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[debka_notion]

Not a meme, so not lizarded, but well- a thought provoked by navelofwine in her other venue.

She was talking about wearing a tallit, and how it slips off due to the fact that she's female, and hence lacking in large broad shoulders (although I see that happening to a decent number of guys too- I think they should just have snaps that attach to one's clothing). So I was thinking about being particularly traditional and egalitarian. And how to wear tfillin and cover one's hair appropriately after marriage- how the heck does that work? I know I've seen women who cover their hair at egal minyanim on Shabbat, but- what about during the week?

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[shirei-shibolim.livejournal.com]

Ever see a Chassidish type wearing t'fillin? Broad brimmed hats of the type you seem to prefer can be tilted back to make room for the t'fillah shel rosh. You might want to place some sort of cloth between the bayit (box) and the brim if they're in direct contact and if the hat is made of abrasive material.

[debka-notion.livejournal.com]

Ahh- the opposite of what one does to play trombone in a broad-brimmed hat.
And I suppose no one so strict as to not want that much hair to show is likely to be wearing tfillin.

[debka-notion.livejournal.com]

Buth more importantly- how do you get the tfillah shel rosh On? I'm presuming the chassidish types remove their hat, and that wouldn't be an option in this case unless it was all female company, or she was at home, and then she wouldn't have to wear the hat so carefully in the first place.
THe other option would be a scarf- but getting the straps on over a kercheif is rather difficult- doable, but difficult. Is the tfillah shel rosh permitted to rest on a scarf rather than one's hair/head?

[shirei-shibolim.livejournal.com]

Buth more importantly- how do you get the tfillah shel rosh On? I'm presuming the chassidish types remove their hat, and that wouldn't be an option in this case unless it was all female company, or she was at home, and then she wouldn't have to wear the hat so carefully in the first place.

The kippot I wear are typically large enough that I have to remove them to put on the shel rosh. It's a little awkward, but not really problematic. I suppose a woman concerned with keeping her head covered could just duck into a corner for a moment. Presumably, those around her should be preoccupied with other things.

Is the tfillah shel rosh permitted to rest on a scarf rather than one's hair/head?

Definitively no. You shouldn't have any material between your skin, hair, whatever, and either of the t'fillin. Again, I find the simplest option to be to remove the head covering, put on the t'fillah, then replace the covering.

How does one wear a hat while playing trombone, exactly?

[debka-notion.livejournal.com]

Presumably people would be busy, but well- not necessarily. Sounds sort of iffy. Although I suppose she could just slip a scarf back a bit, and as long as she holds by Rav. Soleveichik, she'd be fine- don't think it would need to be more than a tefach.

[shirei-shibolim.livejournal.com]

. . . as long as she holds by Rav. Soleveichik, she'd be fine- don't think it would need to be more than a tefach.

Must confess that I don't quite follow.

[debka-notion.livejournal.com]

As far as how much hair can show when a woman is covering her hair- some rabbis hold that no hair at all can show, Rav. Soleveichik says one tefach can show, but since a head is wider than a hand, a tefach is the width of two fingers, across the whole head/forehead, or at the bottom of the hair. I know some folks who hold a tefach at either end. And then there are folks who go for kisui rosh instead.

Can't you tell I've been to a couple (or maybe a couple too many) shiurim on this? ANd that it falls into the category of things I hope to someday put scholarly attention into?

[debka-notion.livejournal.com]

One wears a hat while playing trombone by pushing the hat forwards, just a little if one has excellent posture, and more if one tends to let one's horn tilt some. It's a pain in the tuchus for marching band, let me promise you.

[fleurdelis28.livejournal.com]

This woman's egalitarian shul has a mechitzah.

Though how they deal with the kol ishah issue, I have no idea.

[shirei-shibolim.livejournal.com]

Does it really? Is it put to the same use as any other, or is it a sometimes/if you feel like it thing?

[navelofwine.livejournal.com]

DH actually wore tefillin with a snood on Purim morning last year. The snood was pretty high up on his forehead, so it wasn't a problem. And no hair was showing :)

[debka-notion.livejournal.com]

I'm impressed. If no hair was showing, how did he get his tfillah shel rosh in the right place? Maybe there are different customs about which end of the box goes along the hairline?

[fleurdelis28.livejournal.com]

I assume it's the top, or it would probably be impossible for anyone with a high forehead to keep them on securely.

[debka-notion.livejournal.com]

When I got mine, the guy told Steve that the bottom shouldn't be below the hairline, and I've been putting them on accordingly... Maybe this one's worth looking into.